Can the Catechism be *right* about homosexuality?
I find it interesting to compare Today's reading from the Catechism with this piece by a homosexual author.
Sometimes compassion and empathy are at odds. Irrational empathy MUST yield to rational compassion in those instances. And this is one of them. Having same sex attraction is not wrong. Those who have same sex attraction should be included in every stage in society.
But those of us who *actually* have compassion for the homosexual, know that the person perversion hurts the most- is the perverted person who will never know the joy of sex done right, never know the 9 months of worry over a spouse and the future, never know what it is like to hold and care for an infant with the same genetic structure and "new baby smell" that you once had as an infant.
And that goes for women who take poison to be artificially sterile as well as homosexuals as well as men who want sex without fatherhood. It's all harmful, not just to greater society- but to the people who engage in these behaviors themselves. And that is why, a deeper understanding of human sexuality is necessary for true compassion. One that is in keeping with the biological reality of gender, instead of trying to ignore it.
Sometimes compassion and empathy are at odds. Irrational empathy MUST yield to rational compassion in those instances. And this is one of them. Having same sex attraction is not wrong. Those who have same sex attraction should be included in every stage in society.
But those of us who *actually* have compassion for the homosexual, know that the person perversion hurts the most- is the perverted person who will never know the joy of sex done right, never know the 9 months of worry over a spouse and the future, never know what it is like to hold and care for an infant with the same genetic structure and "new baby smell" that you once had as an infant.
And that goes for women who take poison to be artificially sterile as well as homosexuals as well as men who want sex without fatherhood. It's all harmful, not just to greater society- but to the people who engage in these behaviors themselves. And that is why, a deeper understanding of human sexuality is necessary for true compassion. One that is in keeping with the biological reality of gender, instead of trying to ignore it.
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You are the one who lacks a deeper understanding of human sexuality. You are the one hung up on gender.
In your world it is. However, you may have noticed that you have very little to say in the private acts of consenting adults. It has all come down to a hypothetical of what the rules would be if you were in charge, which you are not.
http://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/
Consent means nothing. Rules mean nothing. If you're going to be a material naturalist, you need to learn to respect material nature.
These are the ravings of a madman. Consent means nothing? Really? Rules mean nothing? What world are you living in?
Give me some material physical evidence to support your "rules" before I will respect them.
That is one of those statements that you often make that are meant to be deep and profound but which really have no meaning.
Two adults can consent to sex. That is real.
Society has rules that should be followed by all and the Catholic Church has rules that should be followed by Catholics. There is no physical evidence needed for you to know that those rules exist.
No it isn't- it's a shared myth between them.
"Society has rules that should be followed by all"
By what authority, if there is no God then Society has no authority.
"the Catholic Church has rules that should be followed by Catholics."
Only by the authority of God, which you've denied has any authority, so you have no say in that.
"There is no physical evidence needed for you to know that those rules exist."
Once again, all rules are mythical. I'm talking about physical reality of gender here, not society, not rules. Pure gender.
All of the authority that society has, rests on the concept of a deity that gave that authority. Remove the deity and I have no reason whatsoever to accept any authority that society has. Remove the soul, and there is no reason to believe free will is possible, and if free will isn't possible, then consent is a total myth.
Based on observation alone, therefore, homosexuality and heterosexuality are just conventions, what counts is the material biology. And from the material biology, "attraction" doesn't matter- what matters is procreation alone.
I'm sorry. That is just a ridiculous understanding of society. Society derives its authority from people not from a deity. That is just another excuse to look to religion for the rules of society. Society functions just fine without religion.
Also, we're not talking about a mob, we're talking about the current social system.
This has led to a genocide already- 55 million have died because of the current social order. What would it take to cause rebellion?
And thus, the stupidity of allowing the people to have a voice at all.
It's not, "They'll know we are Christians by our violation of their human dignity and rights because we don't like what they're doing and have taken it upon ourselves to be hypocritical in the extreme because we think we know better, even though our actions say otherwise."
Also, you weren't arguing for sentencing people to prison, you were arguing for a governmental overthrow, which is stupid, since there are plenty of other, much less violent, ways of changing the government, the country, and the people, for the better. One of the first things that we, as Catholics, must do, is learn to use tact and reasoning other than faith alone to win people over. Just quoting the bible and saying that a person is wrong isn't going to work. Pointing out how much harm such actions as using chemical contraceptives, having abortions, and homosexual acts can be to the individual is much more persuasive. Also, forgiveness for sinners. They'll know we are Christians by our love.
Many people think that Catholics are bigoted, hateful, and oppressive. This is in part simply because that's how a lot of fervent Catholics act throughout debates, because they're so focused on protecting the faith that they forget that no matter how much a person has sinned, nor how greatly, they need love and forgiveness. To constantly condemn an act, without explaining why, beyond the bounds of religion, and to never say anything positive about the people makes them feel as if we are personally attacking THEM, not what they're doing. Also, some Catholics do just attack homosexuals, women who have had abortions, women on birth control (whether they're on it for medical reasons or not), couples who are cohabitating, etc.
While we must protect the rights of the innocent, we can not sacrifice the rights of the ignorant, either. Education, reason, logic, love, mercy, and prayer are our greatest weapons against any and all evil. Condemning an ignorant person for actions only taken because of their ignorance is wrong. Jesus on the cross did not condemn those who put him there; he called out for their forgiveness, because they didn't know what they had truly done.