tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post1281139019058583793..comments2023-11-03T03:38:18.095-07:00Comments on Outside The Asylum: An anti-feminist speaks upTheodore M. Seeberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-68410156967269842402013-06-24T08:43:40.441-07:002013-06-24T08:43:40.441-07:00I saw that a long time before I became politically...I saw that a long time before I became politically active as a Catholic. Back when I was a liberal Cascadia Separatist, it seemed obvious that all the corporations were on the New York Stock Exchange and all the profits from our natural resources were flowing *away* from Cascadia.<br /><br />It isn't just Catholics who have noticed either:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotopia<br /><br />Ecotopia was written in 1975.<br /><br />I haven't believed that our rule was actually a democracy for a very long time. It is always either the fiscal libertine or the sexual libertine on the ballot, NEVER anybody actually moral. And usually with campaigns bought and paid for by the same group of corporations that brought us the banker's coup of 2007 in which we lost the Constitution.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-84606555068055697832013-06-24T03:27:34.379-07:002013-06-24T03:27:34.379-07:00"our democracy has become dominated by East C..."our democracy has become dominated by East Coast elites and carpetbagger aristocracy"<br /><br />Is that what you see when you look at our democracy? Some Catholics have become embittered because the more fanatical political positions that they take are being shot down by the electorate. So they would like to eliminate democratic rule and replace it with a Catholic dictatorship like that of the Vatican City. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-62983533506598552912013-06-23T20:14:25.512-07:002013-06-23T20:14:25.512-07:00Considering what we have done with our freedom, an...Considering what we have done with our freedom, and the joke that our democracy has become dominated by East Coast elites and carpetbagger aristocracy, I fail to see what is worth keeping about it.<br /><br />I suppose it's worth keeping if you're an Ivy League Liberal (of either the Fiscal or Sexual variety) but for the rest of us, it's just tribute to the emperor.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-70559868816719697742013-06-23T15:14:19.667-07:002013-06-23T15:14:19.667-07:00"What we need is a Catholic Monarchy to step ..."What we need is a Catholic Monarchy to step in."<br /><br />Oh yes. Wouldn't that be wonderful. You'd like that, wouldn't you. Lets give up all our freedom and democracy and install a Catholic monarch. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-39006198367519112752013-06-23T14:57:45.345-07:002013-06-23T14:57:45.345-07:00The intent of the right is to impose a Christianit...The intent of the right is to impose a Christianity on the people that is based on the corporations, same as the left. Usually the same corporations. What we need is a Catholic Monarchy to step in.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-87817337914534672722013-06-23T10:43:09.312-07:002013-06-23T10:43:09.312-07:00"The entire intent of the left is to make a s..."The entire intent of the left is to make a society dependent upon the corporations and the government."<br /><br />I don't understand how people can become dependent on corporations. I don't want people to be dependent on government. I don't think that is the intent of the left. The intent of the right is to impose Christianity on this country. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-47187216255347013542013-06-23T07:41:03.106-07:002013-06-23T07:41:03.106-07:00But both of those are *required* by compassion for...But both of those are *required* by compassion for the other. Take them away, and you are taking away compassion for the other.<br /><br />The entire intent of the left is to make a society dependent upon the corporations and the government. Why are you astounded by the idea that destroying civilization makes a society dependent upon the corporations and the government which has no forgiveness, when that's the very thing you're trying to create?Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-91846190228339385602013-06-22T11:20:02.422-07:002013-06-22T11:20:02.422-07:00The Catholic absurdity is "if we rent the hal...The Catholic absurdity is "if we rent the hall to gays or divorcees for their wedding reception, we are participating in a sinful activity. Therefore, to do so would be against our religion". Same for paying for insurance that covers contraceptives. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-1726136534646588742013-06-22T10:26:01.596-07:002013-06-22T10:26:01.596-07:00Which is it? Reject the Catholic absurdity like &...Which is it? Reject the Catholic absurdity like "forgive seventy times seven" or actually follow Catholic absurdity like "forgive seventy times seven"?<br /><br />You see, what you call Catholic absurdity, is a coherent whole to me. I can't do one without the other.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-90850384976024713722013-06-21T16:34:37.936-07:002013-06-21T16:34:37.936-07:00Reject Catholic absurdity AND follow good advice l...Reject Catholic absurdity AND follow good advice like forgive seventy times seven, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, etc. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-68295764758724181922013-06-21T13:42:19.799-07:002013-06-21T13:42:19.799-07:00What do you want me to do? In one conversation yo...What do you want me to do? In one conversation you're asking me to reject Catholic absurdity, and in another you are asking me to accept Christ's teaching. Pick one.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-58179801501747566742013-06-21T07:38:17.790-07:002013-06-21T07:38:17.790-07:00This gets more and more absurd. A wedding receptio...This gets more and more absurd. A wedding reception for divorcees? The council would refuse to rent the hall?<br /><br />First of all, this conversation came about after you mentioned the confiscation of Church property. It has completely unraveled and now we are discussing the absurdity of the Kights of Columbus refusing to rent their hall for a reception after a wedding between divorcees. Is there no limit to Catholic absurdity?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-66767812893950596402013-06-21T07:18:48.417-07:002013-06-21T07:18:48.417-07:00They wouldn't, but under British Columbia'...They wouldn't, but under British Columbia's Human Rights Commission they have to. <br /><br />There are beginning to be cases about annulments and divorcees in America already- in small towns that have set up their own HRC boards. And it isn't just Catholic groups that are being attacked in this fashion either.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-75877781285993973142013-06-21T06:10:29.358-07:002013-06-21T06:10:29.358-07:00Is there a justifiable reason for the Knights to r...Is there a justifiable reason for the Knights to rent their hall to just about anyone but gays? Do they rent it for a wedding for divorcees who don't have an annulment? That is even more serious than gay marriage. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-4946315208600082972013-06-20T07:46:12.881-07:002013-06-20T07:46:12.881-07:00The now required use of Knights of Columbus Halls ...The now required use of Knights of Columbus Halls for gay weddings, of course. And since when is the KofC "not the Church"?Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-88583706837130203872013-06-20T07:39:25.786-07:002013-06-20T07:39:25.786-07:00You said the Church. K of C is not the Church and ...You said the Church. K of C is not the Church and I can't find out anything about confiscation of property. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-68856108498456935122013-06-20T06:00:53.929-07:002013-06-20T06:00:53.929-07:00The case of British Columbia Vs the Knights of Col...The case of British Columbia Vs the Knights of Columbus.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-58146315203915010312013-06-20T03:53:13.753-07:002013-06-20T03:53:13.753-07:00If you can give me a specific case of Church prope...If you can give me a specific case of Church property being confiscated, I'm sue I will find a reason for it that has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Saying that the Church should stop trying to tell non-members how to live their lives is not the first step in confiscating its property. That is just religious paranoia. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-65025346938177858252013-06-19T22:34:22.966-07:002013-06-19T22:34:22.966-07:00If it is paranoia, then why are "Human Rights...If it is paranoia, then why are "Human Rights Commissions" being set up in small towns all over the United States, just like the ones in Canada that have been confiscating Church property?<br /><br />It happened there, it can happen here- and it's not like the Constitution matters one whit anymore.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-87521047306239615772013-06-19T19:29:46.187-07:002013-06-19T19:29:46.187-07:00"there's something very wrong in the Chur..."there's something very wrong in the Church submitting to the marriage laws of the State"<br /><br />Seriously? Because of something done by Queen Elizabeth?<br /><br />" they're interested in it specifically so that they can better control the Church through statements like ". All the Church has to do is stop trying to tell non-members how to live their lives."- which will quickly become "All the Church has to do is endorse marriages from anybody who comes to want one, because doing anything else will mean discrimination, which will allow us to shut down the church and grab the land"<br /><br />That sounds like paranoia to me. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-76804251176985642532013-06-19T16:06:41.217-07:002013-06-19T16:06:41.217-07:00Actually, the first use of marriages being recorde...Actually, the first use of marriages being recorded by the government in English Common Law was under Queen Elizabeth I- and Catholics were specifically *forbidden* from getting married. So yes, there's something very wrong in the Church submitting to the marriage laws of the State. And I don't believe for a second that the elites back east are interested in same sex marriage so that 1% of the population can get tax benefits- they're interested in it specifically so that they can better control the Church through statements like ". All the Church has to do is stop trying to tell non-members how to live their lives."- which will quickly become "All the Church has to do is endorse marriages from anybody who comes to want one, because doing anything else will mean discrimination, which will allow us to shut down the church and grab the land", just like is going on in Canada.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-76724157613236361792013-06-19T14:59:18.061-07:002013-06-19T14:59:18.061-07:00"If you want the Church out of your bedroom, ..."If you want the Church out of your bedroom, then you need to get your Government out of the Church- entirely."<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with a Catholic marriage being recorded with the government. The government is not trying to control or interfere with the running of the Church. All the Church has to do is stop trying to tell non-members how to live their lives. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-7783374633574416112013-06-19T11:59:27.204-07:002013-06-19T11:59:27.204-07:00They shouldn't be because we shouldn't hav...They shouldn't be because we shouldn't have preachers acting as government officials.<br /><br />I can't believe I'm having to inform a wavering atheist of that idea.<br /><br />The act done by a justice of the peace, can be dissolved by a justice of the peace (divorce). <br /><br />The act done by an ordained minister is done by God (and as the ceremony states, what God has joined together let no man rend asunder).<br /><br />Civil unions are a contract for setting up house, and have no bearing on sexuality whatsoever, and should be available to everybody regardless of sexual orientation, number of partners, age of partners, species of partners. The Justice of the Peace should not discriminate, Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason.<br /><br />The preacher, on the other hand, has a positive duty to uphold the moral code he was ordained under; discrimination is required, discrimination is what he was trained to do and what he was hired to do by the parish that pays his salary.<br /><br />I fully agree that the state should not discriminate- but to expect the Church to not discriminate is to completely not understand what a moral code is for.<br /><br />Thus the separation. And calling it two different things will emphasize that separation.<br /><br />If you want the Church out of your bedroom, then you need to get your Government out of the Church- entirely.<br /><br /><br /><br />Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-80717613128775954162013-06-19T09:40:03.725-07:002013-06-19T09:40:03.725-07:00"Or maybe, just maybe, we should go with the ..."Or maybe, just maybe, we should go with the much more reasonable idea of a complete separation between civil unions and religious sacramental marriage and sever the destructive cord while we still can."<br /><br />You've said this before. I don't see how doing that benefits anyone. The couple that goes through with a sacramental marriage is automatically married from a civil standpoint. Why would they not be. And I don't see where getting married by a justice of the peace makes a person any less moral than one who gets married by a priest. That's just silly to call the latter moral. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976342950011924171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8729840800201160730.post-13947851062586338102013-06-19T09:06:48.148-07:002013-06-19T09:06:48.148-07:00The key is, maybe we should. Maybe we should ban ...The key is, maybe we should. Maybe we should ban surrogacy. Maybe we should ban infertile couples from enjoying the tax benefits that are supposed to fund childhood.<br><br>Or maybe, just maybe, we should go with the much more reasonable idea of a complete separation between civil unions and religious sacramental marriage and sever the destructive cord while we still can. Every household *legal*, only those who care to go the additional step of a church wedding *moral*. And the Churches free to refuse services to anybody they wish to.<br><br>Sometimes, when you find yourself on a slippery slope when hiking, the absolute safest thing you can do is stop climbing.Theodore M. Seeberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13315945417122366201noreply@blogger.com